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O-Kaya
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I'm back on the BTD 100% after a holiday hiatus, and I'm feeling much better.  The only thing is, I have had terrible leg cramps for the last 24 hours or so.  I thought maybe magnesium deficiency, but I'm having other indications of too much magnesium as well, plus I'm eating lots of magnesium-rich foods.  Any ideas?

Things I'm eating:
Black beans
raisins
ground beef
teres major (steak)
almonds
chocolate/cherry protein bars (from the website)
green tea
water (lots)
chicken broth
chicken sausages (tomato basil or spinach & garlic)
eggs
broccoli
seltzer (spindrift raspberry lime)
bananas


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Massage, sports cream, time! I hope it resolves itself. Those leg cramps sure are painful! HUGS!!!!


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I get them too. No clue linking back to food. Thought it was nightshades then wine, then nuts or pumpkin seeds. Still no clue. They come and go and I eat the same things day after day. I can go for weeks without any and then a few nights in a row. They STINK. They wake me out of a deep sleep and it takes 10-15 minutes massaging and walking until they go away. Then I'm awake!


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There are several kinds of things that cause leg cramps.  Low on B-12 is a big one.  


http://www.aafp.org/afp/2012/0815/p350.html


Table 3 has a description and causes of leg cramps. Hope this info will be helpful.


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Often increasing magnesium will eliminate leg cramps. Sometimes potassium helps.

Then there is sleeping with a bar of soap trick:

https://www.davidwolfe.com/bar-soap-under-sheet-reason-genius/


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Fascinating discussion! I doubt we could get this on FB.
How are the leg cramps now?


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When I get cramps I add Q Tonic water to my beverage.  I get it from Whole Foods.  Carbonated water, organic agave, natural bitters, handpicked quinine, & citric acid.


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It's REALLY hard to get enough magnesium from foods. And it's not just about total magnesium in the body; the calcium/magnesium ratio is just as important. If you have too much calcium, you need more magnesium to compensate. So, eating foods that are high in both calcium and magnesium, such as almonds, usually won't help a magnesium deficiency.

Leg cramps are usually caused by an imbalance in electrolytes- calcium, magnesium, sodium, and/or potassium. It could be that you're low in one or more of them, or that you have too much of one and need more of the others to balance it out.


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It's REALLY hard to get enough magnesium from foods. And it's not just about total magnesium in the body; the calcium/magnesium ratio is just as important. If you have too much calcium, you need more magnesium to compensate. So, eating foods that are high in both calcium and magnesium, such as almonds, usually won't help a magnesium deficiency.

Leg cramps are usually caused by an imbalance in electrolytes- calcium, magnesium, sodium, and/or potassium. It could be that you're low in one or more of them, or that you have too much of one and need more of the others to balance it out.


I was thinking about cutting out the Phytocal supplement because of that...  Not sure if it's a good idea, though...


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Fascinating discussion! I doubt we could get this on FB.
How are the leg cramps now?


Seriously, FB just won't be the same.

I didn't have any leg cramps last night, but I can feel my right calf shivering as we speak.


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I was thinking about cutting out the Phytocal supplement because of that...  Not sure if it's a good idea, though...


I offset my Phytocal by taking twice as much Magnesium as it has Calcium.


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Often increasing magnesium will eliminate leg cramps. Sometimes potassium helps.

Then there is sleeping with a bar of soap trick:

https://www.davidwolfe.com/bar-soap-under-sheet-reason-genius/


That's....  Weird.  I'm going to try it.  Thanks!


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Hi HeathenNonnie,

I used to have leg cramps mainly at night but increasingly more regularly until I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's a couple of months ago...haven't had any since...(have clearly just cursed that though)...
Since knowing about my health issues I have become way more compliant with my swami, have found out some interesting things from food intolerance testing...have been eating predominantly high fat and high protein...supplementing...and adding more sea salt to food.
Gluten free, dairy free.
Not sure if this info will help you in any way but thought I'd mention it in case there's a nugget in there to help you, as I appreciate how crazy they are.
Also we have similar blood types.
What is your genotype?
I am predominantly explorer but a little hunter too and my swami says avoid almonds...also food intolerance testing says almonds = danger danger.
I think what ruthiegirl says is key, something is out of whack.
Hope you find out what is causing it and can solve it.
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If you are extra-exerting those muscles during the day, especially while sweating, and not taking some extra salt to cover it, the muscles could cramp painfully. Most athletes know about the importance of extra salt during heavier exertion, especially if there's extra perspiration releasing all that precious sodium chloride. Ergo: They take Salt Pills.

Just suggesting that Exertion and Perspiration be included within your considerations.  


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Quoted from Mother
I get them too. No clue linking back to food. Thought it was nightshades then wine, then nuts or pumpkin seeds. Still no clue. They come and go and I eat the same things day after day. I can go for weeks without any and then a few nights in a row. They STINK. They wake me out of a deep sleep and it takes 10-15 minutes massaging and walking until they go away. Then I'm awake!
Because this is a common problem for those doing Keto, this is out of Jimmy Moore's Keto Clarity:
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Especially early on, when you are making the transition from using glucose as your primary fuel source to using ketones, you need to be replenishing your body with salt and fluids...three very easy strategies...

First you need to get more potassium and magnesium...ketosis-friendly foods. One whole avocado contains twice the amount of potassium (975mg) in a large banana (487mg). As for magnesium, raw spinach, Brazil nuts, almonds, fish, and dark chocolate...

Second, replenish your body's salt stores...warm cup of broth a few times a day. Unless you have high blood pressure or are salt-sensitive, or you have experienced heart failure, doing this should work well to eliminate cramps...Concerns about salt raising blood pressure levels is a non-issue in those who are not sensitive to salt.

Third, drink, drink, and drink some more. Water is a crucially important factor in preventing cramps, since it helps muscles relax and contract...especially important if you are exercising regularly. Keep a water bottle with you at all times and take a sip now and then throughout the day. Don't be surprised if those cramps suddenly disappear. ...Although it's unlikely, it is possible to drink too much water, which can deplete sodium and other mineral levels, so keep your water consumption under 800ml/hour. But you're far more likely to not be getting enough water than to be getting too much.

Just for you, avocado woman!


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Are you drinking enough plain and simple water?  Even teas, sports drinks, etc. are not the same.  Someone once told me to consider all non water drinks foods.
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Are you drinking enough plain and simple water?  Even teas, sports drinks, etc. are not the same.  Someone once told me to consider all non water drinks foods.
And yet the reverse is true, too, Easy E -- to consider all foods in terms of their water content!...when assessing hydration.

As says the Moore quote I shared - Getting enough water is important in optimizing mineralization. While supplements with "plain" water are important for hydration, the body is in the business of deriving water from "mixed" sources - of course. The colon is the specialist there!



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I find this an interesting subject, I lay down at night time and most the time get cramps in my toes right off the bat.  Magnesium helps to get rid of them, and my thyroid medicine gives me cramps also, but I have to take it . I started taking it at 3 in the morning, instead when I went to bed and Doc said that was alright.
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Hi HeathenNonnie,

I used to have leg cramps mainly at night but increasingly more regularly until I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's a couple of months ago...haven't had any since...(have clearly just cursed that though)...
Since knowing about my health issues I have become way more compliant with my swami, have found out some interesting things from food intolerance testing...have been eating predominantly high fat and high protein...supplementing...and adding more sea salt to food.
Gluten free, dairy free.
Not sure if this info will help you in any way but thought I'd mention it in case there's a nugget in there to help you, as I appreciate how crazy they are.
Also we have similar blood types.
What is your genotype?
I am predominantly explorer but a little hunter too and my swami says avoid almonds...also food intolerance testing says almonds = danger danger.
I think what ruthiegirl says is key, something is out of whack.
Hope you find out what is causing it and can solve it.


Thank you, Brimstone!  I don't actually know my genotype.  I read that the test kits are kind of hard to use.  Any truth to that?

I seem to do better with almonds in my diet, especially if I'm having my period.  The leg cramps that I complained of seem to have subsided, so I'm hoping it was just a reaction to going back on the diet after a holiday binge.  I do have serious issues if I don't eat BEEF for a couple of days.  I get all sick-feeling and dizzy.  Chicken and fish don't seem to keep me as level.  I've always thought I must be a hunter.  


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If you are extra-exerting those muscles during the day, especially while sweating, and not taking some extra salt to cover it, the muscles could cramp painfully. Most athletes know about the importance of extra salt during heavier exertion, especially if there's extra perspiration releasing all that precious sodium chloride. Ergo: They take Salt Pills.

Just suggesting that Exertion and Perspiration be included within your considerations.  


I have to make a point to eat extra salt, or I get dizzy.  Apparently I also get dizzy if I don't make sure to eat a good helping or two of beef every 1-2 days.  I'm definitely not overexerting myself.  I'm still breastfeeding my baby girl, and I don't have much time for exercise beyond playing with the kids.


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Are you drinking enough plain and simple water?  Even teas, sports drinks, etc. are not the same.  Someone once told me to consider all non water drinks foods.


I have heard that, too.  I do consider all non-water foods instead of beverages, even though the FDA says otherwise (fools)!

I have a Nalgene bottle (it glows in the dark!) that I refill multiple times a day.


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Especially early on, when you are making the transition from using glucose as your primary fuel source to using ketones, you need to be replenishing your body with salt and fluids...three very easy strategies...

First you need to get more potassium and magnesium...ketosis-friendly foods. One whole avocado contains twice the amount of potassium (975mg) in a large banana (487mg). As for magnesium, raw spinach, Brazil nuts, almonds, fish, and dark chocolate...

Second, replenish your body's salt stores...warm cup of broth a few times a day. Unless you have high blood pressure or are salt-sensitive, or you have experienced heart failure, doing this should work well to eliminate cramps...Concerns about salt raising blood pressure levels is a non-issue in those who are not sensitive to salt.

Third, drink, drink, and drink some more. Water is a crucially important factor in preventing cramps, since it helps muscles relax and contract...especially important if you are exercising regularly. Keep a water bottle with you at all times and take a sip now and then throughout the day. Don't be surprised if those cramps suddenly disappear. ...Although it's unlikely, it is possible to drink too much water, which can deplete sodium and other mineral levels, so keep your water consumption under 800ml/hour. But you're far more likely to not be getting enough water than to be getting too much!


This is SUPER handy!  Thanks!



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Quoted from san j
Especially early on, when you are making the transition from using glucose as your primary fuel source to using ketones, you need to be replenishing your body with salt and fluids...three very easy strategies...

First you need to get more potassium and magnesium...ketosis-friendly foods. One whole avocado contains twice the amount of potassium (975mg) in a large banana (487mg). As for magnesium, raw spinach, Brazil nuts, almonds, fish, and dark chocolate...

Second, replenish your body's salt stores...warm cup of broth a few times a day. Unless you have high blood pressure or are salt-sensitive, or you have experienced heart failure, doing this should work well to eliminate cramps...Concerns about salt raising blood pressure levels is a non-issue in those who are not sensitive to salt.

Third, drink, drink, and drink some more. Water is a crucially important factor in preventing cramps, since it helps muscles relax and contract...especially important if you are exercising regularly. Keep a water bottle with you at all times and take a sip now and then throughout the day. Don't be surprised if those cramps suddenly disappear. ...Although it's unlikely, it is possible to drink too much water, which can deplete sodium and other mineral levels, so keep your water consumption under 800ml/hour. But you're far more likely to not be getting enough water than to be getting too much!


This is SUPER handy!  Thanks!


I will refer to this post (post 21 of HN's, registering about one hour ago), below.



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Here is an actual quote of the relevant potion of post #14, my post upon which HN draws:
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Because this is a common problem for those doing Keto, this is out of Jimmy Moore's Keto Clarity:
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Especially early on, when you are making the transition from using glucose as your primary fuel source to using ketones, you need to be replenishing your body with salt and fluids...three very easy strategies...

First you need to get more potassium and magnesium...ketosis-friendly foods. One whole avocado contains twice the amount of potassium (975mg) in a large banana (487mg). As for magnesium, raw spinach, Brazil nuts, almonds, fish, and dark chocolate...

Second, replenish your body's salt stores...warm cup of broth a few times a day. Unless you have high blood pressure or are salt-sensitive, or you have experienced heart failure, doing this should work well to eliminate cramps...Concerns about salt raising blood pressure levels is a non-issue in those who are not sensitive to salt.

Third, drink, drink, and drink some more. Water is a crucially important factor in preventing cramps, since it helps muscles relax and contract...especially important if you are exercising regularly. Keep a water bottle with you at all times and take a sip now and then throughout the day. Don't be surprised if those cramps suddenly disappear. ...Although it's unlikely, it is possible to drink too much water, which can deplete sodium and other mineral levels, so keep your water consumption under 800ml/hour. But you're far more likely to not be getting enough water than to be getting too much.


Just for you, avocado woman!

HN: I'm really gratified that Jimmy Moore's work is something you find helpful, and I too, when I saw it, figured it was apt to your situation and came to dadamo.com to help you with it.  
However, in your post of about an hour ago, you have inserted my name as its author, whereas I was careful to credit its author and to place the quotation within a quote-box.
I therefore definitely recommend his book to you, which is why I I deliberately named it in my post. May it be of assistance to you!  


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Hello Heathen Nonnie..

I've done everything everyone has done above - (including the ridiculous soap bar trick that is only a mental gyration and does not work - but we try anything when we are desperate right?!) - and the only thing that worked was getting compliment with my BT diet.  The biggest thing I found out that leg cramps are related to hormones being out of balance.  When we are eating non-compliantly and messing with foods that don't work for out types not only do those foods mess with our disease processes but they also mess with our hormones BIG TIME.     Whenever I would get into my AVOID foods, bam the leg cramps would come back.   Also my low level fibromyalgia went away when I got compliant.  Alot of things WENT AWAY when I got compliment with the food.  

If you seriously drill down on really finding out what you should be taking into your body, foods, supp's, etc., my money is on the bet that your leg cramps and a bunch of other issues you may be having or that are brewing will go away for the most part if not totally.  

Since you are still menstruating I would also looking into getting a Hormonal Salvia Panel done by a qualified NP who KNOWS how to read it and guide you on possibly hormonal supplementation if needed.   This an extremely valuable test for anyone especially if they are having any cramps, mood swings, and all the other symptoms of hormones being out of whack.  

You might also look into getting rid of all the products in your house that contain xeno-estrogens.. as they will mess with you big time!   I have personal experience with how my hormone levels changed after I did this in my household.  

The main thing overall is to really drill down on the foods that are are good for you and get away from all the rest especially since you are having symptoms like leg cramps.  
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