As I know my blood type and finger length is the only determinator of genotype for me, this discussion is purely academic in nature. Having an andric leg opening doesn't change my gatherer status.

I had assumed that my leg opening would be gynic. However, when I stood in front of a mirror today, I realised it's much more andric than I realised.

Many people pronate their knees inward, which minimizes the space between thier thighs and knees. I used to do this before I had a pediatrist tell me I was knock kneed. I took offence, found t-tapp and sorted that out. So standing with my knees in alignment, I realised they don't really touch. Sure, my inner thighs touch, but that is one of my trouble spots as a woman with a shorter torso. If I were an ideal weight, there would be some space above the knee as well.

So for anyone trying to determine their leg openings (for type or amusement), just make sure that your knees aren't pronating when you stand with ankles together

interesting.....thanks!

Excellent advice! I learned with T-Tapp about pronation too. T-Tapp is super.  I used to roll inward quite badly. I had no idea I could correct it til I discovered T-Tapp.

I'm a short torso (T-Tapp measuring reference, not GenoType) too so I understand the inner thigh issue, Mercedes! Even though I'm slim I tend to have more there than I'd like.

I'm hoping that you knowledgeable gals can help me figure out which type of leg opening I have.

If I stand bare-footed with my ankles together and my legs comfortably straight, my knees just barely touch.  If I push my knees further back to where they lock, my knees don't quite touch.  However, I am so thin that, in either case, there is (to quote the good Doctor) "a LARGE opening between the upper legs at the area of the knees".

I have no idea whether I'm pronating.  I've heard the word used to mean allowing one's feet to roll toward each other -- is that what you mean here?

Assuming that I am standing "properly," then which do I go by:  a) there is a large opening, so I'm gynic, or b) my knees touch, so I'm andric?

You've got it backwards...if the knees touch, you are gynic, and if there is a big opening, you are andric.  

Right.  Slightly confused here.  Sorry about that!

In any case, would appreciate help figuring out which datum to count.

From your description, I think you would be considered Andric...  

I thought he showed that with Andric, the knees could almost touch, but there was much space between the thighs and the calves...  

Even though I am thin, I have almost no space between my legs from top to bottom...

My knees touch but I still have a small space between my thighs.  Is the question perhaps weather or not someone is bowlegged?  I think the only person in my family that is, is my blood type A+ father (the rest mom, 3 brothers are O+, me O-). I would have to double check...

Quoted from ABJoe

I thought he showed that with Andric, the knees could almost touch, but there was much space between the thighs and the calves...

Even though I am thin, I have almost no space between my legs from top to bottom...

Are you referring to the video?  (Which would take me several hours to download over my dial-up connection ....)

I'm just thinking that if I put on some weight, I might not have much space between my legs -- but surely gaining weight wouldn't change my GenoType?

The picture in the book does make it easier to judge the andric one I think.  

I stand with my ankles touching, in a 'neutral' way, and my knees touch.  There is some space above and below, but the knees touch lightly.  I can MAKE there be a big space between my knees by rotating my legs in the hip, but that is not how I would normally stand.  Locking the knees makes space too, but I have hypermobile joints.  

The andric seems more to me like what medavida said, more bow shaped legs.  So that if your ankles were together, your knees would not be able to touch without either bending or contorting in some way.  

I don't think fat or thin really makes a difference, except that if your legs were very heavy it might be hard to judge.  

That is my take on it, anyway.  

Quoted from Carol the Dabbler

Are you referring to the video?

No, I was referring to the picture in the book!  I think it has to do with the shape of the bones...  If your leg bones are very straight with the knees centered on the bones, then there isn't as much space beetween the meaty portions of the legs...

As I said, I am very slender, but my legs touch all the way from top to bottom, except about 1 inch slightly above the knee.

So if when your feet are together, everything touches, are you andric?

no....andric is the one with the space.

standing as you "normally stand" doesn't guarantee accurate results. Last year I would have stood with my knees pronated and then they touch.

Proper/ideal/natural (and not natural not meaning what we're used to) alignment is knees straight, which for many people means they do have to turn out from the hip, if they pronate. I pronate, and I look gynic. Stand properly, and I'm kinda right in the middle. (Like I said, I'm an expluntherer)

And yes, pronating is when your knees roll inward. Mine used to do this due to weak muscles in my hip.

This isn't likely to change anyone's genotype, but for those of us considering pre-natal environment and masculine/feminine traits it's of interest...

Thanks, Mercedes.  I still haven't figured out which kind of leg opening I have -- but I guess it won't affect my GenoType anyhow, so I won't worry about it right now.

If memory serves me,25 yrs ago I was andric,but after 25 yrs. of heavy weight lifting,there is no space between my thighs.

Help, my genotype does depend on this question in swami.

For me:
andric or neutral = nomad.
gynic = gatherer.

The mid calves and knees touch (in a kind of knock-kneed way) but there is a very large opening all the way up from above the knee.

Andric or gynic?
And what is considered neutral?  

andric

I am very mesomorphic with broad shoulders.  However, my leg opening is gynic, with no space at all between the upper legs.  My upper legs are noticably longer than my lower legs.  My ring fingers are longer than my index on both hands.

All of this talk got me to looking again.  I guess I was not standing right the first time.  I am now gynic and now changed from a SWAMI nomad to an explorer 42%.  Look forward to implementing a few food changes.

thanks lola.
Good mauikik.

it is funny how a complex system like genotype can make us doubt the simple and straightforward

ok, I am revisiting my swami measurements and this one has me questioning it again  

i have made a link to a pic - you can help determine my leg opening, which i had thought was andric, however when i re-read the GTD book, the pic is a lil diff to what i see here, for both andric and gynic...


http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/6PwPuvS1A-M5DKNs3-MklV3y3YFQc91zhaXJm_bx5eA?feat=directlink

Quoted from honeybee

ok, I am revisiting my swami measurements and this one has me questioning it again  

i have made a link to a pic - you can help determine my leg opening, which i had thought was andric, however when i re-read the GTD book, the pic is a lil diff to what i see here, for both andric and gynic...


http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/6PwPuvS1A-M5DKNs3-MklV3y3YFQc91zhaXJm_bx5eA?feat=directlink

My leg openings look very similiar to hers and I considered them gender neutral. Not really gynic but not really andric either.

yes i was wondering what neutral is defined as also, it is not discussed anywhere - book or here.