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In my Genotyper from 2006, Dr. D writes Oranges should be used sparingly: They are high in the polyamine putrescine, which can raise polyamine levels.

10 years later, I'm older.

The Journal of Biochem writes that polyamines decrease with age.
http://jb.oxfordjournals.org/content/139/1/81.abstract

This article
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1271/bbb.61.1582
says we do not want deficiency or overproduction of polyamines.

So, can I avoid oranges less? Would 1 orange a week be okay?
When I was in my twenties, I used to drink 12 ounces of orange juice 4 mornings per week. What is the harm of too many polyamines in an adult, and too much polyamine putrescine, specifically?

I'm not sure why in both Live Right 4 Your Type and GenoType diet, Blood Type O Secretor Hunter should stay away from apples. Is that just a lectin issue?

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answer is complex

here is what my personalized swami values mention about those two avoids for me specifically

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Orange
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Hemmaglutinating Lectin)
Blood Group O Non secretor Immunotoxin (reactive polysaccharide)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Glycotoxin)
Physician Restricted Component (Hemmaglutinating Lectin) •
Orange Juice
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Hemmaglutinating Lectin)
Blood Group O Non secretor Blood Group O Non secretor Metabolotoxin (anti-
metabolite)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (anti-metabolite)
Physician Restricted Component (Hemmaglutinating Lectin) •





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Apple
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Hemmaglutinating Lectin)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Rutin Phenolics)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Lectin)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (High Gallic acid concentration)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Malvin Phenolics)
Blood Group O Non secretor Immunotoxin (reactive polysaccharide)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Coumarin Phenolics)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Glycotoxin)
Physician Restricted Component (Hemmaglutinating Lectin) •
Apple Juice
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Rutin Phenolics)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (High Gallic acid concentration)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Malvin Phenolics)
Blood Group O Non secretor Blood Group O Non secretor Metabolotoxin (anti-
metabolite)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (anti-metabolite)


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In Live Right, it says that non-secretor Os should avoid apples, but apples are neutral for O secretors.  I don't have my Genotype book in front of me, so I don't know what that says about apples for Hunters.  Do you have a SWAMI?


Ruth, Single Mother to 22 yo  O- Leah , 20 yo O- Hannah, and  15 yo B+ Jack


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Quoted from O_Secretor_Hunter
In my Genotyper from 2006, Dr. D writes Oranges should be used sparingly: They are high in the polyamine putrescine, which can raise polyamine levels.



Polyamines seem to be involved the cell division process. Needs are different between children, adolescents and adults.

One form of cell division you would not want to fuel is cancer, one argument for not getting 'too much'.

I've oversimplified my understanding and the subject does not seem to be understood as well as it could be by anyone.


TypeBase also mentions metabolic inhibitor for type O.



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Thank you all for your replies.

I had a juicing recipe that I wanted to make Blood Type and Geno Type beneficial.

Vegetables: Celery, Cucumber, Dandelion Greens -red stem, Spinach,
Fruit: Pealed lemon, Apple, Grapefruit, Orange
Herbs: Ginger, Tumeric, Fresh Mint, Cilantro, Parsley, Jalapeno
Water: Distilled and Structured, Coconut Water

Very Important Video to Watch
What you will see is that there is a larger recipe than the one above which is about half of the recipe.
I am changing the two apples to one apple and one pear/peach.
Grapefruit and orange was not in the original recipe but I don't think I can make progress losing 75 pounds without adding grapefruit.
I'm also adding parsnip, turnip, and/or turnip greens.
Dr. D once asked if anyone had any success treating psoriasis [which now feeds into psoriatic arthritis]. Juiced Dandelion Greens, Lou Corona says, cleared it up for one person.

https://youtu.be/msUZuW22zRg
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In Live Right, it says that non-secretor Os should avoid apples, but apples are neutral for O secretors.  I don't have my Genotype book in front of me, so I don't know what that says about apples for Hunters.  Do you have a SWAMI?


Ruthie Girl,

No. I think my visit which gave me the Genotyper was right before SWAMI was ready to replace it.

Stephen
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Polyamines seem to be involved the cell division process. Needs are different between children, adolescents and adults.

One form of cell division you would not want to fuel is cancer, one argument for not getting 'too much'.

I've oversimplified my understanding and the subject does not seem to be understood as well as it could be by anyone.


TypeBase also mentions metabolic inhibitor for type O.





What is TypeBase? Is that something that comes with the new SWAMI?

Yes, I would like to have the resource that gives the information as seen in this thread:

Apples and Oranges: GT1 Epigenotoxin (Hemmaglutinating Lectin)

Please advise how I can get it.

Thank you,
Stephen
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What is TypeBase?


The go-to source for all ratings BTD.

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/typeindexer.htm
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The go-to source for all ratings BTD.

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/typeindexer.htm


Thank you.

I went there but did not find this:

Apple
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Hemmaglutinating Lectin)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Rutin Phenolics)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Lectin)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (High Gallic acid concentration)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Malvin Phenolics)
Blood Group O Non secretor Immunotoxin (reactive polysaccharide)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Coumarin Phenolics)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Glycotoxin)
Physician Restricted Component (Hemmaglutinating Lectin) •
Apple Juice
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Rutin Phenolics)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (High Gallic acid concentration)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Malvin Phenolics)
Blood Group O Non secretor Blood Group O Non secretor Metabolotoxin (anti-
metabolite)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (anti-metabolite)

What is the source for that?

Thank you,
Stephen

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Thank you.

I went there but did not find this:

Apple
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Hemmaglutinating Lectin)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Rutin Phenolics)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Lectin)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (High Gallic acid concentration)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Malvin Phenolics)
Blood Group O Non secretor Immunotoxin (reactive polysaccharide)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Coumarin Phenolics)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Glycotoxin)
Physician Restricted Component (Hemmaglutinating Lectin) •
Apple Juice
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Rutin Phenolics)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (High Gallic acid concentration)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (Malvin Phenolics)
Blood Group O Non secretor Blood Group O Non secretor Metabolotoxin (anti-
metabolite)
GT1 Epigenotoxin (anti-metabolite)

What is the source for that?

Thank you,
Stephen



The source was Lola's personal SWAMI results, as she noted. They individually may or may not apply to you.

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It seems the SWAMI comes in two versions: one for individuals and a professional version not sold to individuals.
It also seems there is no glossary in SWAMI to define:
(Coumarin Phenolics)
(High Gallic acid concentration)
(Malvin Phenolics)
(Rutin Phenolics)
(Hemmaglutinating Lectin)
(anti-metabolite)

I am learning not only that foods can glue up in our system (lectins and hemmaglutinating lectin) but phenolics and glycotoxins are a problem.

I am ready to buy SWAMI but customer service cannot confirm I would get avoid reasons in the detail that Lola is showing.

The detail that Lola showed brings a whole more significant level of respect for Dr. D's Blood Type & GenoType
work.

Is there really on glossary of these terms leaving us to Google/Wikipedia each one?
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The hard way: Googling each term, for example Coumarin Phenolics:

Google Result: http://www.wholisticresearch.com/info/artshow.php3?artid=432

Patients who have symptoms that are due to a phenolic compound such as those listed here, or which have a component that is caused by a phenolic, are not allergic to them but are intolerant or sensitive. They are able to tolerate a limited amount of the phenolic, but if the intake exceeds this then symptoms appear. It appears that the tolerance level reduces the more symptoms occur, but that if the phenolic is avoided the tolerance increases. The best practical policy is to be conscious not to eat too many foods that contain the offending phenolic during any 48-hour period.


Phenolic Intolerances can be the explanation for symptoms that appear to have no trigger and which appear to recur randomly. This is particularly true for Nicotine and Tyramine phenolics, but can apply to all of them. The phenolics listed here are the most common in their impact on humans.


Acetyl - and Methyl -salicylic acid are contained in:

blackberry, blueberry, brussel sprouts, plum, strawberry

Methyl-salicylic acid and Acetyl-salicylic acid sensitivity is a frequent cause of hyperactivity and, in children, behavioural disorders.



CHOLINE is contained in:

Milk (cows), Milk (goats), Oyster, Salmon, Shrimp



COUMARIN is contained in:

apple, banana, barley, beef, beer, beet, beet-sugar, celery, cheese, cottage cheese, chicken, cocoa, chocolate, corn, egg, lemon, lettuce, lime, cow’s and goat’s milk, mutton, oats, pea, peanut, peppercorn, sweet potato, rice, tomato, tuna, turkey, wheat, yeast

Coumarin is one of the most common to cause problems and is, unfortunately, one of the most widespread phenolics. It is often associated with respiratory conditions.
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I avoid googling every single term cause I believe in Dr D's expertise.....
I simply follow my guidelines, and so far, am at awe over my age

never thought I'd be so healthy and thriving at this stage in my life!!!!

Dr D rocks no doubt!

I am very disciplined ...... and give myself credit for that!  ha

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That he is willing to share his achievement with us is humbling, indeed.

ditto!!!  


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Lola, that is what I am seeking  ! You're the only one who has the detail. I tried here. I tried the Center of Excellence. So, I'm left to google.

High Gallic Acid is listed but I do not see the problem with Gallic Acid. Gallic Acid has benefits.

Does this website have a Juicing section? Currently, I'm juicing items listed as Super Beneficials. If my juicer does not process fruits well, I squeeze them or eat them. I put pear pieces in my juicer and got nothing but a mess.
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you might wish to start a thread on juicing or use the search feature for threads from the past on the subject

you need juicier pears perhaps.....

I enjoy adding water and a fruit or a mix of fruits to my blender......
best and most concentrated juice ever


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High Gallic Acid is listed but I do not see the problem with Gallic Acid. Gallic Acid has benefits.


get a hold of Dr D's textbook


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I went to amazon and put in the search Peter D'Adamo and text book.
I googled Peter D'Adamo and text book.

I didn't see anything that looked like a text book.

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tsk tsk...a lot of fears here to be seen and to be managed well ... ... but when I saw the guy using his huuuuge water bottle... then my fears appeared.... ..........and sorry sorry dear members here... don't overdoo in blaming certain foods as bad...justamente coz there are more then one aspect to consider... I justamente wanted to show up with the positive aspects of blueberries... I don't want to go deeper or further... here but also no less then to constat that this fruit is nothing but a true gem in health concerns.. ok... ok all dearles I'm going only to blubber
partially...but truth always stays truth... and we also need to be cautious in not becoming >the best enemy of ourselves<....

and then please I'll beg you for one thing...
...don't get into any nutritional combats of "fragmental thoughts"..............   ... merci and


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I went to amazon and put in the search Peter D'Adamo and text book.
I googled Peter D'Adamo and text book.

I didn't see anything that looked like a text book.



Here is a link to information on the textbook:

http://www.4yourtype.com/fundamentals-of-generative-medicine-vol-1-text-book/


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as mentioned above ... ......................


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get a hold of Dr D's textbook

Will the textbook contain the definitions O-secretor is looking for, or will it contain the reasons that are shown in Lola's SWAMI?  

Having those reason in my SWAMI would make it much easier for me to follow it...



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Having those reason in my SWAMI


great you follow your swami


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